1 00:00:36,690 --> 00:00:34,590 hello again higher side shatters and 2 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:36,700 thank you for choosing THC as a medicine 3 00:00:40,020 --> 00:00:38,590 to help relieve you for the next hour of 4 00:00:42,990 --> 00:00:40,030 the perpetual stress and frustration 5 00:00:45,270 --> 00:00:43,000 that is the American Society of 2012 and 6 00:00:46,860 --> 00:00:45,280 when you're all cut up on Cupcake Wars a 7 00:00:48,990 --> 00:00:46,870 higher side chat is here to pick you up 8 00:00:50,430 --> 00:00:49,000 dust you off and say hey man why don't 9 00:00:52,229 --> 00:00:50,440 we just drink a little drink smoke a 10 00:00:53,669 --> 00:00:52,239 little smoke and talk about something 11 00:00:55,229 --> 00:00:53,679 that's not being rammed down our throats 12 00:00:57,119 --> 00:00:55,239 and that's what we're going to do folks 13 00:00:59,040 --> 00:00:57,129 my guest today deserves some serious 14 00:01:00,630 --> 00:00:59,050 respect because he spent nearly three 15 00:01:02,759 --> 00:01:00,640 decades researching and investigating 16 00:01:04,170 --> 00:01:02,769 the claim that the Catholic Church is 17 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:04,180 behind the assassination of President 18 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:06,760 Lincoln almost 150 years ago he's 19 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:08,490 presented a very thorough and detailed 20 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:10,840 investigation in his fascinating book 21 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:12,280 who killed Abraham Lincoln 22 00:01:16,109 --> 00:01:14,170 prepare to be lathered in the sweet may 23 00:01:19,859 --> 00:01:16,119 flee goodness up today's guest Paul 24 00:01:22,679 --> 00:01:19,869 syrup Paul how are you very well thanks 25 00:01:24,690 --> 00:01:22,689 how are you I'm great you know thanks 26 00:01:27,149 --> 00:01:24,700 for being here I love conspiracies and 27 00:01:28,980 --> 00:01:27,159 I've always had a real curiosity with 28 00:01:30,870 --> 00:01:28,990 stories and accounts of the dark side of 29 00:01:33,389 --> 00:01:30,880 the Catholic Church so your book really 30 00:01:35,100 --> 00:01:33,399 struck a certain chord with me but uh 31 00:01:36,539 --> 00:01:35,110 something I want people to understand is 32 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:36,549 just how much work you really did on 33 00:01:40,170 --> 00:01:38,590 this the book is full of sources and 34 00:01:41,999 --> 00:01:40,180 copies of official documents and 35 00:01:44,219 --> 00:01:42,009 handwritten letters in fact the book 36 00:01:46,230 --> 00:01:44,229 comes with a CD of thousands of 37 00:01:47,849 --> 00:01:46,240 documents I mean this is more than just 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:47,859 a hunch Paul how did you get started on 39 00:01:53,700 --> 00:01:49,450 the subject and how much work have you 40 00:01:57,050 --> 00:01:53,710 really put into this oh well I I didn't 41 00:01:59,940 --> 00:01:57,060 realize it at the time I just read 42 00:02:02,039 --> 00:01:59,950 Charles tunicates book 50 years in the 43 00:02:06,359 --> 00:02:02,049 Church of Rome and I believe it was in 44 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:06,369 the spring of 1986 and I was so 45 00:02:13,740 --> 00:02:11,170 surprised by what he said that I just 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:13,750 became very very curious about him and I 47 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:17,050 started to research I wrote a few 48 00:02:21,940 --> 00:02:18,490 letters and 49 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:21,950 and then I and I got some replies back 50 00:02:27,220 --> 00:02:24,410 and and that's what started me I just 51 00:02:30,820 --> 00:02:27,230 wanted to know who this man was and you 52 00:02:33,550 --> 00:02:30,830 know what sort of credibility he had and 53 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:33,560 and and I had no plans of doing anything 54 00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:37,490 when I started I was just curious and 55 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:38,750 that's so interesting let's talk about 56 00:02:43,660 --> 00:02:42,410 this priest Charles Chen okay he's a 57 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:43,670 friend of Lincoln and the first to 58 00:02:47,620 --> 00:02:45,890 publicly accused the Catholic Church for 59 00:02:50,230 --> 00:02:47,630 his murder and in his day he was 60 00:02:51,730 --> 00:02:50,240 immensely popular with the people but he 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:51,740 wasn't big on blindly following 62 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:53,810 authority which bruised some egos in the 63 00:02:57,730 --> 00:02:55,850 Catholic hierarchy but we're where did 64 00:03:04,560 --> 00:02:57,740 his break from the Catholic authorities 65 00:03:08,590 --> 00:03:04,570 start well he he said in his 66 00:03:11,410 --> 00:03:08,600 autobiography that he grew up in in 67 00:03:14,140 --> 00:03:11,420 Quebec and he he learned the Bible from 68 00:03:16,210 --> 00:03:14,150 his at his mother's side and he and very 69 00:03:21,660 --> 00:03:16,220 much enjoyed reading the Bible and and 70 00:03:23,980 --> 00:03:21,670 then his father died and he ended up in 71 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:23,990 under the care of an uncle and he 72 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:25,970 decided to study for the priesthood and 73 00:03:33,010 --> 00:03:30,370 as he studied for the priesthood his 74 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:33,020 independent thought and and his 75 00:03:37,450 --> 00:03:34,990 knowledge of the Bible made him question 76 00:03:41,590 --> 00:03:37,460 the things that he learned he was taught 77 00:03:44,290 --> 00:03:41,600 and then but he and and he had problems 78 00:03:46,420 --> 00:03:44,300 with things like obeying what his 79 00:03:48,610 --> 00:03:46,430 superiors told him regard you know 80 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:48,620 regardless of what they told him and 81 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:53,330 things like celibacy and things like 82 00:03:58,720 --> 00:03:55,220 that but he still wanted to be a priest 83 00:04:04,199 --> 00:03:58,730 so he took his vows and but he still had 84 00:04:08,140 --> 00:04:04,209 this independent thought and that's what 85 00:04:12,670 --> 00:04:08,150 continued continued with him and and and 86 00:04:15,190 --> 00:04:12,680 he had he persuaded roughly half of 87 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:15,200 Quebec in the mid 19th century to give 88 00:04:20,530 --> 00:04:17,870 up drinking he became concerned about 89 00:04:22,780 --> 00:04:20,540 the effects of alcohol for individuals 90 00:04:26,530 --> 00:04:22,790 and society in general and he 91 00:04:29,530 --> 00:04:26,540 established a Temperance Society and was 92 00:04:32,290 --> 00:04:29,540 tremendously successful and he his 93 00:04:34,629 --> 00:04:32,300 portrait was in in most of the 94 00:04:38,309 --> 00:04:34,639 holds in Quebec for his work that he did 95 00:04:42,309 --> 00:04:38,319 and he was recognized for that and then 96 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:42,319 and then he ended up down in in Chicago 97 00:04:44,950 --> 00:04:43,250 area 98 00:04:46,809 --> 00:04:44,960 well actually self in Chicago and 99 00:04:48,700 --> 00:04:46,819 invited by the Bishop of Chicago and 100 00:04:53,110 --> 00:04:48,710 then he had a very very public clash 101 00:04:57,610 --> 00:04:53,120 with a different Bishop of Chicago which 102 00:05:00,249 --> 00:04:57,620 was well covered by the Chicago Press 103 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:00,259 I believe the Chicago Tribune reported 104 00:05:05,499 --> 00:05:03,770 on him about a hundred times and and not 105 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:05,509 actually resulted in that Bishop being 106 00:05:11,740 --> 00:05:08,150 summoned to Rome and removed as a Bishop 107 00:05:13,300 --> 00:05:11,750 of Chicago I mean that just shows like 108 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:13,310 the kind of influence he had he was a 109 00:05:18,339 --> 00:05:16,969 immensely popular guy and you know one 110 00:05:20,050 --> 00:05:18,349 of my favorite things that Jenna Kay 111 00:05:22,209 --> 00:05:20,060 says about his problems with the 112 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:22,219 priesthood was when he was training in 113 00:05:26,409 --> 00:05:24,530 his college years he said that instead 114 00:05:28,719 --> 00:05:26,419 of stimulating the pupils intelligence 115 00:05:30,730 --> 00:05:28,729 Roman Catholic education institutions 116 00:05:32,649 --> 00:05:30,740 tried to prove that each student's own 117 00:05:35,770 --> 00:05:32,659 intellect was actually his greatest 118 00:05:37,809 --> 00:05:35,780 enemy and you know it's I think that's 119 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:37,819 so true but why would someone so wise to 120 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:39,529 the authoritarian brainwashing in the 121 00:05:45,219 --> 00:05:41,930 church continue to be a member of such 122 00:05:48,790 --> 00:05:45,229 an organization for so long that's a 123 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:48,800 very very good question and you can ask 124 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:52,130 that I mean this Church's teachings 125 00:05:57,939 --> 00:05:55,060 hasn't really changed and you have very 126 00:06:00,610 --> 00:05:57,949 intelligent people even you know 127 00:06:04,089 --> 00:06:00,620 deciding that's what they want to be 128 00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:04,099 under and so that's a that's a good 129 00:06:08,830 --> 00:06:07,190 question it has a hold on people it's 130 00:06:15,219 --> 00:06:08,840 it's tremendous 131 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:15,229 in Quebec most Quebecers don't go to the 132 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:20,810 to church they I believe in in the 50s 133 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:24,050 and 60s there you know 90% of them would 134 00:06:29,110 --> 00:06:26,090 go to church and now it's more like I 135 00:06:31,899 --> 00:06:29,120 think it's around 15% or something like 136 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:31,909 that but they have they have no plans of 137 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:35,150 changing their religious affiliation and 138 00:06:41,439 --> 00:06:38,690 so it's it's quite quite an interesting 139 00:06:43,180 --> 00:06:41,449 thing why why that is yeah it is 140 00:06:44,740 --> 00:06:43,190 definitely a weird thing I grew up in 141 00:06:45,700 --> 00:06:44,750 the Midwest where it's definitely 142 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:45,710 prevalent and 143 00:06:50,890 --> 00:06:49,490 I never did really click with me but you 144 00:06:53,170 --> 00:06:50,900 know let's fast forward a bit to the 145 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:53,180 conflict and that put Charles tunic a in 146 00:06:58,840 --> 00:06:55,759 court with the bishop in Chicago it also 147 00:07:01,120 --> 00:06:58,850 brought him an Abe Lincoln together yeah 148 00:07:04,390 --> 00:07:01,130 no it wasn't it wasn't actually the 149 00:07:07,540 --> 00:07:04,400 bishop chinna case said that it was a 150 00:07:12,310 --> 00:07:07,550 prominent Catholic people I think right 151 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:12,320 who the bishop yeah the Bishop used but 152 00:07:17,230 --> 00:07:15,410 there is certainly at jinuk a biographer 153 00:07:20,500 --> 00:07:17,240 Richard lougheed out of Quebec and 154 00:07:23,379 --> 00:07:20,510 academic out of summitry all I said that 155 00:07:25,150 --> 00:07:23,389 there's very strong points to show that 156 00:07:30,810 --> 00:07:25,160 Jenica was correct that the bishop was 157 00:07:35,770 --> 00:07:30,820 behind the prosecution he because he 158 00:07:41,980 --> 00:07:35,780 stood up for for French the French in in 159 00:07:45,219 --> 00:07:41,990 Chicago they had to the reason he went 160 00:07:47,350 --> 00:07:45,229 there it was because a lot of French 161 00:07:49,089 --> 00:07:47,360 Canadians were leaving Quebec and going 162 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:49,099 to the United States and they were going 163 00:07:54,430 --> 00:07:51,680 to the larger urban centers where they 164 00:07:57,360 --> 00:07:54,440 were quote losing their religion I'm not 165 00:08:00,460 --> 00:07:57,370 concerned the Catholic Church so they 166 00:08:02,710 --> 00:08:00,470 asked unike to come down and establish a 167 00:08:08,939 --> 00:08:02,720 french-canadian Catholic colony self of 168 00:08:13,540 --> 00:08:08,949 Chicago which which he did and so the 169 00:08:15,370 --> 00:08:13,550 for but for some reason this the bishop 170 00:08:16,180 --> 00:08:15,380 he was invited by the second Bishop of 171 00:08:18,460 --> 00:08:16,190 Chicago 172 00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:18,470 van de velde but then his the succeeding 173 00:08:24,310 --> 00:08:21,470 bishop Anthony Oh Reagan an Irish man 174 00:08:27,390 --> 00:08:24,320 seemed to have a real problem with the 175 00:08:29,529 --> 00:08:27,400 French and with other Germans and 176 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:29,539 essentially took the French's church 177 00:08:36,190 --> 00:08:33,169 away from them the building and rented 178 00:08:37,810 --> 00:08:36,200 it to Irish Catholics and you know 179 00:08:40,510 --> 00:08:37,820 things like that which outraged the 180 00:08:43,659 --> 00:08:40,520 French and Charles shinik a was willing 181 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:43,669 to stand up to him and actually it drew 182 00:08:50,380 --> 00:08:46,250 the attention across the United States 183 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:50,390 at this bishop was being this priest was 184 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:52,430 standing up to this bishop and refusing 185 00:08:58,809 --> 00:08:56,480 to back down from him and stop so the 186 00:09:01,029 --> 00:08:58,819 bishop said I would give anything 187 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:01,039 to the person who would get rid of this 188 00:09:05,979 --> 00:09:03,649 Jenica who causes me more problems than 189 00:09:08,009 --> 00:09:05,989 all the other priests combined you know 190 00:09:12,189 --> 00:09:08,019 what would Jesus do right 191 00:09:13,629 --> 00:09:12,199 well exactly yeah good good question yes 192 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:13,639 I mean you study they study the 193 00:09:17,529 --> 00:09:15,410 teachings for so long and then you find 194 00:09:19,419 --> 00:09:17,539 out that it's just really a it seems 195 00:09:21,189 --> 00:09:19,429 more like just a secret society of 196 00:09:22,809 --> 00:09:21,199 people who are power-hungry that don't 197 00:09:24,879 --> 00:09:22,819 really believe what they're teaching but 198 00:09:26,650 --> 00:09:24,889 you know one question I had which you 199 00:09:29,259 --> 00:09:26,660 bring up that quote from him is that 200 00:09:31,779 --> 00:09:29,269 instead of dragging Chinna Kay through 201 00:09:35,019 --> 00:09:31,789 dozens of court battles for so long and 202 00:09:36,789 --> 00:09:35,029 bringing up you know 70 false witnesses 203 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:36,799 most of them priests when I go through 204 00:09:41,469 --> 00:09:38,569 all this publicly and when you could 205 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:41,479 just kill him early on kill Qin okay 206 00:09:47,799 --> 00:09:45,410 yeah ah well he was still a Catholic 207 00:09:51,699 --> 00:09:47,809 priest he hadn't left the Catholic 208 00:09:54,340 --> 00:09:51,709 Church at that time and there was he had 209 00:09:59,409 --> 00:09:54,350 friends in the Catholic Church people 210 00:10:02,919 --> 00:09:59,419 that he still looked up to and I think 211 00:10:07,979 --> 00:10:02,929 it was very very late in the game 212 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:07,989 he left the Catholic Church in 1858 the 213 00:10:18,309 --> 00:10:12,049 the court battles that that Lincoln took 214 00:10:21,909 --> 00:10:18,319 pardon were in 1856 and and there was so 215 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:21,919 write up - pretty late in the game as 216 00:10:30,039 --> 00:10:23,689 far as him being part of the Catholic 217 00:10:34,359 --> 00:10:30,049 Church you know hope he still had people 218 00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:34,369 that he was where it was friends with 219 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:38,089 and the people and people are diverse 220 00:10:45,189 --> 00:10:42,889 over him yeah well they he and so maybe 221 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:45,199 the church wasn't thinking about that 222 00:10:51,669 --> 00:10:47,569 yet this organization wasn't thinking 223 00:10:54,129 --> 00:10:51,679 about that yet but certainly he reports 224 00:10:56,710 --> 00:10:54,139 that there was after that there was many 225 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:56,720 attempts on his life and we should say 226 00:11:01,119 --> 00:10:58,850 that during these court cases 227 00:11:03,669 --> 00:11:01,129 Abraham Lincoln was his lawyer that's 228 00:11:05,439 --> 00:11:03,679 kind of what brought them together and 229 00:11:08,409 --> 00:11:05,449 apparently that they developed a pretty 230 00:11:11,019 --> 00:11:08,419 rich friendship wouldn't you say I would 231 00:11:12,250 --> 00:11:11,029 say very much so I would say that their 232 00:11:14,680 --> 00:11:12,260 strong evidence 233 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:14,690 Charles Jenica was Abraham Lincoln's 234 00:11:20,730 --> 00:11:17,810 best friend and which is you know pretty 235 00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:20,740 amazing when you consider what a 236 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:24,590 towering figure Abraham Lincoln was and 237 00:11:32,470 --> 00:11:30,770 is yeah Lincoln said that he because she 238 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:32,480 cared about the Catholic Church and he 239 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:35,690 had been there a Lincoln wanted to know 240 00:11:40,630 --> 00:11:37,640 about the influence of the Catholic 241 00:11:42,310 --> 00:11:40,640 Church in the Civil War and so he 242 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:42,320 consulted with chinoco 243 00:11:49,180 --> 00:11:46,730 about what was really going on what what 244 00:11:52,030 --> 00:11:49,190 things meant mm-hmm the letter of the 245 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Pope to Jeff Davis right that's a really 246 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:54,650 interesting saying yeah I mean a lot of 247 00:11:59,680 --> 00:11:56,960 people aren't aware of this stuff and it 248 00:12:02,440 --> 00:11:59,690 it appears to be continued to be 249 00:12:06,910 --> 00:12:02,450 carefully suppressed I mean I feel that 250 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:06,920 I have now run into some it appears to 251 00:12:11,890 --> 00:12:09,890 me to be censorship I was going to ask 252 00:12:14,410 --> 00:12:11,900 you if you've run into that because you 253 00:12:16,420 --> 00:12:14,420 know there's a lot of corruption that 254 00:12:17,710 --> 00:12:16,430 goes on and a lot of things are buried 255 00:12:19,900 --> 00:12:17,720 and redacted and we're dealing with 256 00:12:22,420 --> 00:12:19,910 something that's about 150 years old a 257 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:22,430 lot of the information if it even if it 258 00:12:26,050 --> 00:12:24,080 hasn't been burned and destroyed is 259 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:26,060 probably heavily guarded I mean did you 260 00:12:34,090 --> 00:12:29,170 you ran into a few roadblocks then uh 261 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:34,100 well it's been more after the book was 262 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:36,290 published I don't think people my own 263 00:12:40,510 --> 00:12:37,910 family didn't know what I was doing 264 00:12:43,210 --> 00:12:40,520 actually mostly like this I guess I kept 265 00:12:45,490 --> 00:12:43,220 it fairly close as a few people that did 266 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:45,500 and I it made my life a little simpler 267 00:12:48,580 --> 00:12:46,210 for me 268 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:48,590 people thought I had a girlfriend in 269 00:12:58,770 --> 00:12:51,650 Chicago as I was down there all the time 270 00:13:02,050 --> 00:12:58,780 but I was doing this research but I 271 00:13:06,610 --> 00:13:02,060 don't know that I found too much 272 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:06,620 difficulty before but but but afterward 273 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:08,690 there's you know that the book is out 274 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:12,130 there seems to be some real heavy 275 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:15,920 censorship um Karl Shaniqua was a major 276 00:13:21,370 --> 00:13:18,950 Chicago figure mm-hmm 277 00:13:23,380 --> 00:13:21,380 you know the Chicago Tribune put the 278 00:13:26,060 --> 00:13:23,390 notice of his 80th birthday on the front 279 00:13:28,639 --> 00:13:26,070 page now why do they do that to 280 00:13:31,129 --> 00:13:28,649 if somebody doesn't matter at all right 281 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:31,139 he's how many Chicago figures have gone 282 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:33,570 on to become world famous I think 283 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:36,750 there's a very small handful that you 284 00:13:45,650 --> 00:13:40,920 could say that yet the Chicago Public 285 00:13:49,490 --> 00:13:45,660 Library has no books by or about him and 286 00:13:52,189 --> 00:13:49,500 there's no no plans to change the 287 00:13:58,879 --> 00:13:52,199 Chicago Tribune this is their own 288 00:14:00,499 --> 00:13:58,889 history which they apparently have it 289 00:14:03,170 --> 00:14:00,509 appears to me they're suppressing their 290 00:14:06,439 --> 00:14:03,180 own history to make sure they don't 291 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:06,449 offend this organization mmm you're not 292 00:14:13,879 --> 00:14:10,170 interesting what I found and I run into 293 00:14:15,499 --> 00:14:13,889 other instances where you know in Canada 294 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:15,509 the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation 295 00:14:21,499 --> 00:14:19,290 according to Richard lo he's in the 2009 296 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,509 biography of Trinity Seneca is still 297 00:14:27,379 --> 00:14:24,480 Canada's most successful author of all 298 00:14:30,590 --> 00:14:27,389 time yet Canada's national broadcaster 299 00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:30,600 the CBC has never mentioned his name on 300 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:32,339 a public on a national or provincial 301 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:34,560 broadcast as far as I understand and how 302 00:14:38,629 --> 00:14:36,690 go plans are changing that that's a 303 00:14:42,079 --> 00:14:38,639 curious thing you know makes you to me 304 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:42,089 that validates the information ya know 305 00:14:48,910 --> 00:14:45,120 and there's other instances that you'd 306 00:14:51,740 --> 00:14:48,920 like to say it all seems to fit together 307 00:14:54,199 --> 00:14:51,750 well now as Chinna K's lawyer 308 00:14:57,110 --> 00:14:54,209 Lincoln clearly got on the bad side of 309 00:14:58,790 --> 00:14:57,120 some people in the church hierarchy but 310 00:15:00,530 --> 00:14:58,800 was there there obviously there was a 311 00:15:02,329 --> 00:15:00,540 bigger motivation and plotting to kill 312 00:15:04,579 --> 00:15:02,339 the president than to settle an old 313 00:15:06,530 --> 00:15:04,589 grudge but your book points out several 314 00:15:08,929 --> 00:15:06,540 entrances of the church back in the 315 00:15:11,290 --> 00:15:08,939 South in the Civil War in secret but 316 00:15:16,579 --> 00:15:11,300 what was their motivation for doing that 317 00:15:19,100 --> 00:15:16,589 well I would advance the same argument 318 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:19,110 that Chinna Kay does that the Catholic 319 00:15:25,850 --> 00:15:22,649 Church believes that ultimately it's the 320 00:15:29,150 --> 00:15:25,860 Dodge Church of God you know the God 321 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:29,160 that created everything and as such they 322 00:15:37,579 --> 00:15:32,610 make the leap to the church should rule 323 00:15:39,030 --> 00:15:37,589 the world and so power should you know 324 00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:39,040 they did and 325 00:15:42,540 --> 00:15:40,959 the Pope certainly at the time of the 326 00:15:46,470 --> 00:15:42,550 Civil War and it was published in New 327 00:15:48,900 --> 00:15:46,480 York Times he publicly railed against 328 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:48,910 things like freedom of religion and 329 00:15:58,939 --> 00:15:52,380 freedom of speech and and democracy and 330 00:16:03,660 --> 00:15:58,949 so therefore the United States as I 331 00:16:05,189 --> 00:16:03,670 believe the the only important democracy 332 00:16:09,660 --> 00:16:05,199 in the world at that time 333 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:09,670 certainly the four most democratic 334 00:16:19,710 --> 00:16:12,670 nation in the world I believe provided a 335 00:16:21,930 --> 00:16:19,720 threat to this institution that again I 336 00:16:23,790 --> 00:16:21,940 suggest believes that in the Divine 337 00:16:25,949 --> 00:16:23,800 Right of Kings and then the church 338 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:25,959 setting up the Kings therefore really 339 00:16:31,559 --> 00:16:29,050 controlling thanks and let's talk about 340 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:31,569 that letter you mentioned from from the 341 00:16:39,629 --> 00:16:33,310 Pope to Jefferson Davis that was a 342 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:39,639 really talent I believe so and here is 343 00:16:46,829 --> 00:16:44,370 this Pope writing a letter to Jeff Davis 344 00:16:49,829 --> 00:16:46,839 calling him the president of the 345 00:16:51,780 --> 00:16:49,839 Confederate States of America instead of 346 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:51,790 the man leading a massive rebellion 347 00:16:56,730 --> 00:16:54,730 against the US nation them I was causing 348 00:16:59,610 --> 00:16:56,740 the deaths of hundreds of thousands of 349 00:17:02,189 --> 00:16:59,620 America's finest young men and yeah 350 00:17:05,399 --> 00:17:02,199 that's that's what he did and chinna k 351 00:17:09,149 --> 00:17:05,409 said that it was a recognition of the 352 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:09,159 Southern Confederacy by this European 353 00:17:17,699 --> 00:17:12,130 power by the Vatican by the Roman 354 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:17,709 Catholic Church and that it was a an 355 00:17:23,669 --> 00:17:21,250 arrow also aimed right at it Abraham 356 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:23,679 Lincoln saying that he was about 357 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:26,589 fighting against the nation that the 358 00:17:31,799 --> 00:17:29,530 Pope rocky does yeah I mean it seems 359 00:17:33,570 --> 00:17:31,809 like the assassination as the Civil War 360 00:17:35,159 --> 00:17:33,580 was coming to a close was kind of a 361 00:17:37,799 --> 00:17:35,169 last-ditch effort to throw the country 362 00:17:39,690 --> 00:17:37,809 back into chaos but how do you think the 363 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:39,700 church really would have benefited if 364 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:41,140 the South would have won the Civil War 365 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:43,330 or had all four of their planned 366 00:17:48,539 --> 00:17:45,690 assassinations been successful 367 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:48,549 well I mean if the if the four planned 368 00:17:53,700 --> 00:17:51,370 assassinations had been successful it 369 00:17:57,150 --> 00:17:53,710 would have certainly 370 00:17:59,340 --> 00:17:57,160 the United States government into chaos 371 00:18:01,320 --> 00:17:59,350 and we were those work by the way we 372 00:18:03,420 --> 00:18:01,330 should tell people for yeah sure that 373 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:03,430 was the book for the President the Vice 374 00:18:09,690 --> 00:18:06,490 President the Secretary of State's 375 00:18:12,750 --> 00:18:09,700 Seward and the head of the Union Army 376 00:18:17,790 --> 00:18:12,760 which was General Grant and they were 377 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:17,800 slated for assassination but they but of 378 00:18:22,110 --> 00:18:20,080 course you know they would they were not 379 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:22,120 killed the Secretary of State those many 380 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:23,890 people I think don't know that he was 381 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:24,850 almost killed 382 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:28,780 right he had a brace from a carriage 383 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:30,490 accident around his neck which I believe 384 00:18:39,930 --> 00:18:32,610 saved him from being stabbed to death by 385 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:39,940 another member of booths it was a lofty 386 00:18:45,300 --> 00:18:42,370 goal but you know had it been successful 387 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:45,310 do you think that the country would have 388 00:18:49,650 --> 00:18:47,860 gone back into chaos and the war might 389 00:18:52,740 --> 00:18:49,660 have turned I mean it seemed like it was 390 00:18:54,180 --> 00:18:52,750 pretty much over at that point yeah you 391 00:18:59,730 --> 00:18:54,190 would think so 392 00:19:02,790 --> 00:18:59,740 it's it's hard to to know whether it 393 00:19:07,740 --> 00:19:02,800 would have succeeded but I guess the 394 00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:07,750 people that that were attempting him 395 00:19:13,170 --> 00:19:09,760 must have believed it was it was 396 00:19:15,540 --> 00:19:13,180 worthwhile and like you say it was it 397 00:19:17,490 --> 00:19:15,550 was pretty much a last-ditch attempt 398 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:17,500 although the civil war wasn't over till 399 00:19:25,470 --> 00:19:21,640 the next month and there was still you 400 00:19:30,090 --> 00:19:25,480 know actions by Confederate forces even 401 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:30,100 through through that summer but it's 402 00:19:36,990 --> 00:19:34,780 it's hard to tell what you know what 403 00:19:39,120 --> 00:19:37,000 what would have happened or but they 404 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:39,130 seem to think that that there was a 405 00:19:43,770 --> 00:19:42,250 chance don't right well let me kind of 406 00:19:46,380 --> 00:19:43,780 switch gears on you there's a large part 407 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:46,390 of the conspiracy community that claims 408 00:19:51,150 --> 00:19:48,490 Lincoln was killed by bankers because he 409 00:19:53,070 --> 00:19:51,160 was planning to usher in a new non debt 410 00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:53,080 based currency which seems to be 411 00:19:56,550 --> 00:19:54,280 historically the number one cause of 412 00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:56,560 political assassinations but have you 413 00:20:05,280 --> 00:19:58,000 come across that opinion at all on your 414 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:05,290 research mm well not not too much I 415 00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:06,490 don't know what this 416 00:20:12,510 --> 00:20:09,940 points would be that would favor that I 417 00:20:15,060 --> 00:20:12,520 don't know how booth would be linked to 418 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:15,070 some banking and as a group if you don't 419 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:18,010 link to some banking organization yeah 420 00:20:22,860 --> 00:20:20,280 it seems to be just kind of a general 421 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:22,870 thought I hadn't heard too much about I 422 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:24,490 mean the motivation is there obviously 423 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:26,050 to keep control over the currency and 424 00:20:30,380 --> 00:20:28,090 and that kind of thing happens but I 425 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:30,390 guess from your research there's no 426 00:20:36,360 --> 00:20:33,490 there's no link for John Wilkes Booth to 427 00:20:38,940 --> 00:20:36,370 the banking industry or breaking cartel 428 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:38,950 but it is clear that there's a link to 429 00:20:45,420 --> 00:20:43,870 the Catholic Church correct yes most if 430 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:45,430 not all of the conspirators were 431 00:20:50,430 --> 00:20:47,770 Catholic including Booth and that was at 432 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:50,440 a time where that wasn't quite so normal 433 00:20:56,510 --> 00:20:53,290 as it is today well no well it shouldn't 434 00:21:00,840 --> 00:20:56,520 have been any involved in that right and 435 00:21:03,180 --> 00:21:00,850 or any quote Christian Church but they 436 00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:03,190 were Oprah over-represented some six 437 00:21:10,110 --> 00:21:07,110 times something like that I mean the 438 00:21:12,090 --> 00:21:10,120 amount of Catholics in the United States 439 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:12,100 at that time and in Washington was about 440 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:14,410 eleven percent and yet a majority of 441 00:21:18,900 --> 00:21:16,750 them were Catholics and and as I say 442 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:18,910 they've certainly dominated by Catholics 443 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:21,010 and and they may all of them Catholics 444 00:21:26,010 --> 00:21:22,770 because we've sort of found out 445 00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:26,020 relatively late the proof that booth was 446 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:31,750 a Catholic so yeah I mean there is 447 00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:34,770 there's very strong evidence for that 448 00:21:43,590 --> 00:21:40,080 the news of lincoln and seward murder is 449 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:43,600 talked about in minnesota far removed 450 00:21:49,260 --> 00:21:47,410 from from washington know what what what 451 00:21:51,930 --> 00:21:49,270 did booth and company have to do with 452 00:21:53,870 --> 00:21:51,940 that well Tunica pointed out that that 453 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:53,880 was a place where there was a very large 454 00:22:01,650 --> 00:21:56,770 institution for training roman catholic 455 00:22:03,630 --> 00:22:01,660 priests out there and this news that's 456 00:22:06,270 --> 00:22:03,640 how that's how that got out there and 457 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:06,280 air before the events happened hours 458 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:08,290 before the events happened their murders 459 00:22:16,830 --> 00:22:12,370 were were spoken about and and then you 460 00:22:20,130 --> 00:22:16,840 have the fact that the person who headed 461 00:22:22,830 --> 00:22:20,140 the official u.s. investigation and 462 00:22:25,140 --> 00:22:22,840 Lincoln's murder Secretary of War Edwin 463 00:22:27,450 --> 00:22:25,150 Stanton believed that his murder was a 464 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:27,460 result of the Catholic plot and not 465 00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:31,720 that's pretty hard to get around mm-hmm 466 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:33,670 you know because he if you look at the 467 00:22:37,230 --> 00:22:35,530 murder of John F Kennedy they are 468 00:22:39,930 --> 00:22:37,240 whenever there's a report and people 469 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:39,940 questioning whether the single gunman 470 00:22:46,350 --> 00:22:44,350 theory or account is correct 471 00:22:47,790 --> 00:22:46,360 they always wrapped mentioned the Warren 472 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:47,800 Commission well the Warren Commission 473 00:22:51,900 --> 00:22:50,470 and what what it concluded well the war 474 00:22:54,210 --> 00:22:51,910 no question was the official US 475 00:23:00,590 --> 00:22:54,220 government investigation into his murder 476 00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:00,600 so yes I believe there is very strong 477 00:23:08,340 --> 00:23:03,600 essentially circumstantial evidence that 478 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:08,350 indeed the Jesuits were behind it yeah I 479 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:11,290 mean you you mentioned this to me one of 480 00:23:15,690 --> 00:23:14,200 the most interesting bits of evidence in 481 00:23:18,450 --> 00:23:15,700 the book is the account of Reverend 482 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:18,460 Francis Kahn well because it's a classic 483 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:21,340 flip up situation and you'll see this in 484 00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:22,810 the details of a lot of conspiracies 485 00:23:27,690 --> 00:23:25,360 actually 9/11 most notably that certain 486 00:23:30,030 --> 00:23:27,700 channels seem to be reporting the news 487 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:30,040 of a tragedy faster than should be 488 00:23:34,530 --> 00:23:32,170 possible and the Lincoln assassination 489 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:34,540 is no different tell us kind of what 490 00:23:40,890 --> 00:23:37,570 happened with Francis Conwell well 491 00:23:42,990 --> 00:23:40,900 typically met him in in Chicago well C 492 00:23:47,670 --> 00:23:43,000 Kinnick a when when his friend was 493 00:23:49,410 --> 00:23:47,680 murdered and he had mourned Lincoln to 494 00:23:51,810 --> 00:23:49,420 be on the to be on guard against 495 00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:51,820 assassinate an assassination attempt by 496 00:23:56,130 --> 00:23:53,680 the Jesuits so when his fan was murdered 497 00:23:59,490 --> 00:23:56,140 he started on investigation which he 498 00:24:02,190 --> 00:23:59,500 spent 20 years doing published 20 years 499 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:02,200 after Lincoln's assassination in 1885 500 00:24:11,220 --> 00:24:07,420 and he met Francis Conwell in Chicago 501 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:11,230 and Conwell told him that the day of the 502 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:13,990 murder he was in the village of st. 503 00:24:19,470 --> 00:24:17,170 Joseph Minnesota at about 6 o'clock and 504 00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:19,480 that afternoon he was told by a Roman 505 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:22,510 Catholic who was supplying this 506 00:24:29,340 --> 00:24:27,610 institution there this sort of a 507 00:24:33,090 --> 00:24:29,350 seminary monastery 508 00:24:33,690 --> 00:24:33,100 I believe that Secretary of State Seward 509 00:24:42,210 --> 00:24:33,700 and 510 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:42,220 was pulled in the company of another man 511 00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:45,490 named Bennett and at the time there were 512 00:24:51,390 --> 00:24:48,400 no railroad lines closer than 40 miles 513 00:24:53,430 --> 00:24:51,400 and no telegraph office closer than 80 514 00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:53,440 miles right so there's no way that 515 00:24:59,220 --> 00:24:55,720 information should have gotten there no 516 00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,230 no way unless you know it came another 517 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:02,080 another day but you know that's that was 518 00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:05,050 my thought because even the next day he 519 00:25:10,530 --> 00:25:08,710 goes to st. cloud and he asks the hotel 520 00:25:13,140 --> 00:25:10,540 manager he asked people who sees hey 521 00:25:14,490 --> 00:25:13,150 have you guys heard about Lincoln being 522 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:14,500 killed and they're like no I haven't 523 00:25:17,790 --> 00:25:15,970 even heard about it the next day and 524 00:25:19,980 --> 00:25:17,800 that just that shows you how slow 525 00:25:23,810 --> 00:25:19,990 information traveled at that time but it 526 00:25:26,730 --> 00:25:23,820 is pretty damning evidence that you know 527 00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:26,740 they the Roman Catholics seem to have 528 00:25:32,130 --> 00:25:28,660 this channel of information a little 529 00:25:34,500 --> 00:25:32,140 faster and that would seem you know 530 00:25:38,580 --> 00:25:34,510 pretty normal if you were concerned 531 00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:38,590 about your plot being successful yeah 532 00:25:44,670 --> 00:25:42,940 yeah and it was and I've looked into it 533 00:25:48,510 --> 00:25:44,680 and this was saying Joseph which was 534 00:25:52,170 --> 00:25:48,520 essentially 100% Catholic village out 535 00:25:53,850 --> 00:25:52,180 there in Minnesota and you know and as 536 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:53,860 you as you say you know what 537 00:26:00,900 --> 00:25:56,530 what is that information doing out there 538 00:26:03,150 --> 00:26:00,910 and and ginika got affidavits from from 539 00:26:05,910 --> 00:26:03,160 all the people responsible there down in 540 00:26:09,540 --> 00:26:05,920 black and white in their own words which 541 00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:09,550 I have most of them reproduced in the in 542 00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:13,120 the book they are held in the Chinna 543 00:26:18,030 --> 00:26:16,480 cave collections in Ontario Canada 544 00:26:23,610 --> 00:26:18,040 but he got it down in black and white 545 00:26:26,730 --> 00:26:23,620 from these people sworn before a notary 546 00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:26,740 public what they what their experience 547 00:26:33,870 --> 00:26:29,470 was and the person who gave him that 548 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:33,880 information a Catholic he refused to 549 00:26:38,190 --> 00:26:36,370 make a statement down the black and 550 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:38,200 white any claim but he couldn't he 551 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:39,490 couldn't you couldn't remember who gave 552 00:26:43,380 --> 00:26:41,260 him that information and yet all sorts 553 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:43,390 of different stories as I said go 554 00:26:48,250 --> 00:26:46,370 through in the media and it you know and 555 00:26:51,220 --> 00:26:48,260 they said well the reason that that he 556 00:26:52,810 --> 00:26:51,230 could remember this stunning news but 557 00:26:55,330 --> 00:26:52,820 can't remember who gave it to him was 558 00:26:57,730 --> 00:26:55,340 because he was told and by the priest 559 00:26:59,980 --> 00:26:57,740 not to reveal his source 560 00:27:02,320 --> 00:26:59,990 right it's like it like I said it's a 561 00:27:04,510 --> 00:27:02,330 kind of a classic slip-up I mean it the 562 00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:04,520 parallels to 9/11 whatever your thoughts 563 00:27:09,910 --> 00:27:07,880 about it are pretty pretty apparent 564 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,920 because I mean the two instances were 565 00:27:13,270 --> 00:27:11,360 that George Bush said that he saw the 566 00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:13,280 first plane hit the building on 567 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:15,350 television which wasn't the case there 568 00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:16,850 was no footage of that unless he had a 569 00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:18,620 closed-circuit TV that no one else could 570 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:23,000 see and then the the BBC was reporting 571 00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:25,970 that building 7 had fallen when it was 572 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:27,500 standing in the background of the 573 00:27:30,580 --> 00:27:29,330 reporter I mean you know whatever your 574 00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:30,590 thoughts of who's responsible these are 575 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:32,510 facts that are verifiable on YouTube 576 00:27:36,700 --> 00:27:34,130 especially the second one you can you 577 00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:36,710 can see the reporter giving the message 578 00:27:40,750 --> 00:27:38,990 that the building had fallen while it's 579 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:40,760 standing in the background but you know 580 00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:43,250 so I mean this happened before and it 581 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:46,070 seems like kind of a classic slip of 582 00:27:49,299 --> 00:27:47,929 it's the most damning evidence to me but 583 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:49,309 I mean what do you think were some of 584 00:27:53,049 --> 00:27:50,570 the most damning pieces of evidence 585 00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:53,059 outside of that that convinced you the 586 00:27:56,890 --> 00:27:54,200 church was responsible for the 587 00:27:59,070 --> 00:27:56,900 assassination yeah I would just say that 588 00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:59,080 well they said there's a long line 589 00:28:07,150 --> 00:28:01,520 certainly the amount of Catholics that 590 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:07,160 were involved in this if John like you 591 00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:09,170 did you see the movie like you know 592 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:11,270 there was a movie John Robert Redford in 593 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:13,210 a movie last year called the 594 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:15,770 conspirators do that and it's not 595 00:28:21,690 --> 00:28:18,320 stunning too because the movie itself 596 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:21,700 that your average person would go to see 597 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:25,820 is is saying that she's innocent yeah he 598 00:28:32,290 --> 00:28:30,170 produced a documentary sort of DVD as 599 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:32,300 well where he consults with the experts 600 00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:34,490 and they all say she was guilty right 601 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:38,590 and they just stunning you know sort of 602 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:41,450 sort of total disconnect between the 603 00:28:49,540 --> 00:28:45,070 facts and and its produced but by this 604 00:28:54,220 --> 00:28:49,550 man who went to I I don't know if he can 605 00:28:57,490 --> 00:28:54,230 professor to be a Catholic but it's he 606 00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,500 went to a Jesuit trained he went to a 607 00:29:03,220 --> 00:29:00,080 Jesuit university and 608 00:29:06,970 --> 00:29:03,230 he bankrolled it and his name is 609 00:29:08,730 --> 00:29:06,980 Ricketts and it's about Mary Surratt and 610 00:29:13,779 --> 00:29:08,740 it in it I believe it's the ongoing 611 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:13,789 attempt to rehabilitate her image which 612 00:29:20,830 --> 00:29:18,049 is a pretty tough go and and then 613 00:29:24,130 --> 00:29:20,840 there's also dr. Samuel Mudd where we 614 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:24,140 get there determining is still mud her 615 00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:25,730 name is mud and then there was a 616 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:27,470 wonderful book written called his name 617 00:29:32,919 --> 00:29:30,769 is still mud about you know the attempts 618 00:29:36,580 --> 00:29:32,929 to try and rehabilitate His image and 619 00:29:40,950 --> 00:29:36,590 try to explain the facts away his but 620 00:29:45,549 --> 00:29:40,960 I'm sorry Mary Surratt son immediately 621 00:29:47,740 --> 00:29:45,559 the facts show went north to Catholic 622 00:29:49,389 --> 00:29:47,750 call back and he was sheltered there by 623 00:29:51,129 --> 00:29:49,399 the Roman Catholic Church and then he 624 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:51,139 went across Europe and ended up in the 625 00:29:57,070 --> 00:29:55,130 in the papal army you know and did then 626 00:30:02,200 --> 00:29:57,080 then there were attempts to manipulate 627 00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:02,210 his his trial there's just a long list 628 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:04,460 of circumstantial evidence I would say 629 00:30:11,169 --> 00:30:07,570 the amount of Catholics in the flaunt 630 00:30:13,299 --> 00:30:11,179 the you know Jenica reported that that 631 00:30:15,940 --> 00:30:13,309 was the Mary Surratt sporting house was 632 00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:15,950 both the Jesuits priests and the 633 00:30:20,649 --> 00:30:17,510 conspirators common meeting place 634 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:20,659 because they were telling them why they 635 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:24,130 needed to do was to murder these people 636 00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:26,990 they the fact that as you say what 637 00:30:33,070 --> 00:30:28,990 happened in Minnesota 638 00:30:35,379 --> 00:30:33,080 Edwin Stanton's you did the person who 639 00:30:38,049 --> 00:30:35,389 headed the official US investigation his 640 00:30:40,299 --> 00:30:38,059 view that was a Catholic plot again I 641 00:30:45,820 --> 00:30:40,309 think is is very powerful but there's 642 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:45,830 certainly smaller sort of other 643 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:49,730 information that again points it's sort 644 00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:52,070 of a when you look at the actual 645 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:54,320 evidence like you like you're mentioning 646 00:30:58,720 --> 00:30:56,809 the not what somebody's advocating but 647 00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:58,730 what the evidence is pointing right 648 00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:01,519 point there's a long line of 649 00:31:06,450 --> 00:31:03,529 circumstantial evidence at points 650 00:31:09,310 --> 00:31:06,460 unmistakable to that source Utley and 651 00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:09,320 also in your book I mean you you wrote 652 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:11,630 about whether it be you know most of it 653 00:31:17,740 --> 00:31:13,970 being coming from chin okay 654 00:31:19,899 --> 00:31:17,750 book fifty years there seems to be a lot 655 00:31:21,730 --> 00:31:19,909 of corruption in the Catholic hierarchy 656 00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:21,740 a lot more than you would think for an 657 00:31:26,950 --> 00:31:23,360 institution that is built around 658 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:26,960 principles of love and happiness I mean 659 00:31:30,999 --> 00:31:28,370 were you kind of shocked at the amount 660 00:31:36,399 --> 00:31:31,009 of little scandals that were going on in 661 00:31:41,049 --> 00:31:36,409 the Catholic Church yeah yeah I was I 662 00:31:42,999 --> 00:31:41,059 was surprised and and I you know I'd 663 00:31:45,850 --> 00:31:43,009 heard lots of negative things about the 664 00:31:47,619 --> 00:31:45,860 Roman Catholic Church but I also like to 665 00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,629 be able to I mean I don't want to lose 666 00:31:54,610 --> 00:31:49,519 argument so I don't want it so I want to 667 00:31:57,159 --> 00:31:54,620 have the proof right I mean in to know 668 00:32:01,060 --> 00:31:57,169 that in the 50s in Mexico that 669 00:32:08,139 --> 00:32:01,070 Protestants were being raped and beaten 670 00:32:12,249 --> 00:32:08,149 and lynched by Catholic mobs - and and 671 00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:12,259 you know - to know that the Vatican Bank 672 00:32:17,289 --> 00:32:14,529 to bring it more up to date has been 673 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:17,299 again and again linked to money 674 00:32:25,869 --> 00:32:22,450 laundering and other financial crime um 675 00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,879 you know I mean it's just I mean there's 676 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:27,919 actually uh I think a butler on trial 677 00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,049 right now in the Vatican for the crime 678 00:32:35,590 --> 00:32:33,679 of reporting information about the Pope 679 00:32:38,639 --> 00:32:35,600 and and he's quoted as saying he's 680 00:32:41,529 --> 00:32:38,649 afraid for his life yeah I heard that 681 00:32:43,629 --> 00:32:41,539 you know like this is a supposedly 682 00:32:44,369 --> 00:32:43,639 Christian Church and he's afraid for his 683 00:32:49,749 --> 00:32:44,379 life 684 00:32:52,570 --> 00:32:49,759 mm-hmm you know I mean so I guess I was 685 00:32:55,060 --> 00:32:52,580 I was surprised in some cases what what 686 00:32:58,450 --> 00:32:55,070 I found yeah I mean you that's kind of 687 00:32:59,769 --> 00:32:58,460 as you go through the whole conspiracy 688 00:33:01,799 --> 00:32:59,779 itself towards the end of the book you 689 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:01,809 ask is the assassination of a president 690 00:33:06,249 --> 00:33:04,490 something the Catholic Church would do 691 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:06,259 is it consistent with the character of 692 00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:08,450 the Catholic Church and you you know you 693 00:33:15,340 --> 00:33:11,750 obviously conclude that it is but what 694 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:15,350 other actions that of the church have 695 00:33:18,820 --> 00:33:17,570 brought you that conclusion I mean have 696 00:33:20,639 --> 00:33:18,830 you researched the corruption at the 697 00:33:25,690 --> 00:33:20,649 Vatican Bank much 698 00:33:28,290 --> 00:33:25,700 well again I'm you know I I did not 699 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:32,140 Canada Council grant or any man down of 700 00:33:35,470 --> 00:33:32,930 the Arts 701 00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:35,480 probably locked up pretty tight yeah 702 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:39,860 it's fun on my own dime and so I've been 703 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:41,540 limited I mean I've people always 704 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:42,890 thought you know you're going to 705 00:33:46,900 --> 00:33:44,330 Washington and all you're going to 706 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:46,910 Chicago you know a nice vacation no I 707 00:33:52,750 --> 00:33:49,370 didn't spend I wasn't on vacation I was 708 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:52,760 hidden these archives and libraries you 709 00:33:57,820 --> 00:33:54,770 know and then in the evening I was 710 00:34:01,960 --> 00:33:57,830 reviewing that I found so I didn't I 711 00:34:04,150 --> 00:34:01,970 kind of was concentrating more on on 712 00:34:07,090 --> 00:34:04,160 what Chinna Kay's allegation so I didn't 713 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:07,100 have a whole lot of extra time for for 714 00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:08,960 looking at other things but certainly 715 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:12,230 you know David yeah let's book in God's 716 00:34:18,730 --> 00:34:16,190 name you can perhaps read down about his 717 00:34:21,220 --> 00:34:18,740 allegation that John Paul the first was 718 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:21,230 actually murdered and the Vatican 719 00:34:26,740 --> 00:34:24,590 because he was going to clean things up 720 00:34:28,330 --> 00:34:26,750 so this does seem kind of consistent 721 00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:28,340 with the character of the Catholic 722 00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:33,550 Church it does yeah it does and 723 00:34:46,030 --> 00:34:39,560 unfortunately at this point they seem to 724 00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:46,040 have a lot of friends in certainly in in 725 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:52,070 big media who you know do their best to 726 00:34:57,790 --> 00:34:55,370 try and write shelter shelter them to 727 00:35:00,280 --> 00:34:57,800 suppress any information that would be 728 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:00,290 what would be negative and I and I think 729 00:35:06,220 --> 00:35:04,310 that's really very corrupt in itself of 730 00:35:09,790 --> 00:35:06,230 course I mean even the movie you 731 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:09,800 mentioned the conspirator I mean you 732 00:35:12,820 --> 00:35:11,330 know you have a book that comes out and 733 00:35:15,700 --> 00:35:12,830 people start talking about it and then 734 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:15,710 here comes the Hollywood unlimited 735 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:17,570 budget to come and say well you know 736 00:35:21,220 --> 00:35:19,250 let's nudge it back in our direction 737 00:35:24,100 --> 00:35:21,230 and even if there's a documentary on the 738 00:35:25,930 --> 00:35:24,110 very same DVD it claims our documentary 739 00:35:28,270 --> 00:35:25,940 is [\h__\h] or that our movie is 740 00:35:29,500 --> 00:35:28,280 [\h__\h] you know no one's going to 741 00:35:31,060 --> 00:35:29,510 notice you know they looking at the 742 00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:31,070 bright lights and they're going to hear 743 00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:32,480 the big picture which is don't pay 744 00:35:41,090 --> 00:35:34,280 attention you know let's just move it 745 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:44,180 kind of know what I've been doing and 746 00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:46,650 and they say boy it must be incredibly 747 00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:49,290 discouraging for you to work this long 748 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:52,440 on a on a book and and to do your 749 00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:54,570 homework and then to be sort of flopped 750 00:36:03,500 --> 00:35:58,140 down by major media who you would think 751 00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:03,510 would be interested right and and then 752 00:36:09,620 --> 00:36:07,860 you get people who apparently spent very 753 00:36:12,020 --> 00:36:09,630 little time in libraries to rates and 754 00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:12,030 rates books on Lincoln and and their 755 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:14,430 lionized and and things like that and 756 00:36:21,350 --> 00:36:17,060 they get a lot of very large sales and 757 00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:21,360 but you know I guess it's just one has 758 00:36:27,290 --> 00:36:25,800 to keep plugging away right it seems 759 00:36:28,580 --> 00:36:27,300 like if you get ignored that's pretty 760 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:28,590 good evidence that you might be on the 761 00:36:33,730 --> 00:36:31,050 right track well yeah like just for 762 00:36:36,850 --> 00:36:33,740 instance I could be completely wrong but 763 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:36,860 Ford's Theatre has two bookstores 764 00:36:40,940 --> 00:36:39,450 one is five men by the National Park 765 00:36:43,190 --> 00:36:40,950 Service and the other is run by a 766 00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:43,200 company that also applied supply the 767 00:36:46,490 --> 00:36:44,700 Abraham Lincoln Presidential Library 768 00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:46,500 bookstore in the Chicago History Library 769 00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:50,040 book store and others and I went through 770 00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:54,240 the process I mean I'm I'm here in 771 00:37:00,020 --> 00:36:56,220 Western Canada and went through the 772 00:37:01,910 --> 00:37:00,030 process with this company that supplies 773 00:37:05,540 --> 00:37:01,920 all these different ones and even got an 774 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:05,550 IRS tax number and and we had talked 775 00:37:10,100 --> 00:37:07,770 about they got the book and this lady 776 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:10,110 was going to you know get it eight or 777 00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,090 ten and try them in the Ford's Theater 778 00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:13,680 and just do a testing and everything 779 00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:17,480 like that and back and forth and then 780 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:19,440 when that's all done 781 00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:24,290 I hear absolutely nothing and you know 782 00:37:29,690 --> 00:37:26,990 and and the same with the Park Service 783 00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:29,700 I've communicated with them now I can't 784 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:32,790 get an answer from all right and you 785 00:37:37,940 --> 00:37:35,610 know I said Jack very possibly they 786 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:37,950 don't want to tell the truth and they 787 00:37:43,790 --> 00:37:40,110 don't want to tell a lie when they say 788 00:37:48,500 --> 00:37:43,800 nothing perilous I mean look at common 789 00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,510 thing common thread yeah yeah but but I 790 00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:50,700 spent you know all this time on it and 791 00:37:54,140 --> 00:37:52,079 and I say I'm not 792 00:37:56,449 --> 00:37:54,150 I'm going away going back to the 793 00:37:58,940 --> 00:37:56,459 character of the Catholic Church and one 794 00:38:00,680 --> 00:37:58,950 thing you do write about also is the the 795 00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,690 Magdalene laundries which is something 796 00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,640 that I hadn't heard about before but how 797 00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:04,200 was the Catholic Church involved there 798 00:38:08,479 --> 00:38:06,049 and what were the Magdalene laundries 799 00:38:11,299 --> 00:38:08,489 well there was a movie at the 800 00:38:14,509 --> 00:38:11,309 documentary put out about it which I saw 801 00:38:16,459 --> 00:38:14,519 and I see that well I'm sorry I there's 802 00:38:18,859 --> 00:38:16,469 so much information I don't have a lot 803 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,869 it's right Mike but it was I think it 804 00:38:24,979 --> 00:38:20,880 was about eight years ago if my memory 805 00:38:29,380 --> 00:38:24,989 serves me and it's just a stunning thing 806 00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:29,390 that they had this sort of a system of 807 00:38:34,839 --> 00:38:32,609 essentially slavery in Ireland where 808 00:38:40,609 --> 00:38:34,849 were women who were thought to be 809 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,619 morally sort of fallen were essentially 810 00:38:47,229 --> 00:38:43,200 committed by their families and and they 811 00:38:51,890 --> 00:38:47,239 were in this system of slavery to to I 812 00:38:57,319 --> 00:38:51,900 guess do do laundry and things like that 813 00:39:00,949 --> 00:38:57,329 and you know and suffer abuse and this 814 00:39:04,299 --> 00:39:00,959 this documentary finally came out 815 00:39:06,739 --> 00:39:04,309 because it had been there was a 816 00:39:10,339 --> 00:39:06,749 discovery of hundreds of unmarked graves 817 00:39:12,380 --> 00:39:10,349 had had caused this to come out and 818 00:39:14,809 --> 00:39:12,390 these these women that were considered 819 00:39:17,289 --> 00:39:14,819 moral criminals were given life 820 00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:17,299 sentences and and the last of these 821 00:39:25,489 --> 00:39:21,180 Irish convent prisons were closed in 822 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:25,499 1996 yeah and not long not that not that 823 00:39:30,650 --> 00:39:29,160 long ago and and it's interesting you 824 00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,660 know it's very interesting that Kath 825 00:39:35,989 --> 00:39:32,910 Ireland was one of the most catholic 826 00:39:38,180 --> 00:39:35,999 places in the world and it's really I 827 00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:38,190 think fascinating now that the Catholic 828 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:43,529 Church is essentially out there and I 829 00:39:48,349 --> 00:39:46,410 haven't tracked it down but I've heard 830 00:39:50,799 --> 00:39:48,359 anecdotally that priests are afraid to 831 00:39:54,319 --> 00:39:50,809 go out in public trust as a priest 832 00:40:02,690 --> 00:39:54,329 because of the abuse I think that ironic 833 00:40:10,650 --> 00:40:08,190 sort of working on another work oh yeah 834 00:40:13,890 --> 00:40:10,660 tell us about that well it would be 835 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:13,900 about the New York City draft riots till 836 00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:17,050 you do touch on that in this book - I do 837 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:18,130 that's correct 838 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:21,970 and and it was really a Catholic attempt 839 00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:23,650 to overthrow the gut Union government 840 00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:25,630 the federal government by these riots in 841 00:40:32,700 --> 00:40:29,200 New York and these are these huge mobs 842 00:40:38,750 --> 00:40:32,710 of Irish Catholics were destroying 843 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:41,070 beating black people to death for the 844 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:44,190 crime of being black and and actually 845 00:40:49,950 --> 00:40:47,650 and and and and and in Chinna Kay talks 846 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:49,960 about the Irish and how kind of slaves 847 00:40:54,990 --> 00:40:52,210 they were to the to their bishops but 848 00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:55,000 that apparently has now changed which is 849 00:41:00,359 --> 00:40:57,610 really interesting and and and to get to 850 00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:00,369 9/11 I was in New York two months after 851 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:05,170 that and because I was doing again doing 852 00:41:13,260 --> 00:41:07,810 research mm-hmm and and I walked around 853 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:13,270 9/11 and there's a police memorial I 854 00:41:17,370 --> 00:41:14,770 forget I think it's called the wall of 855 00:41:19,050 --> 00:41:17,380 hero heroes and they did list all the 856 00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:19,060 police that have died in the line of 857 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:19,480 duty 858 00:41:24,210 --> 00:41:22,210 mm-hm and I looked at that thing and I 859 00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:24,220 said there's got to be a mistake 860 00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:27,280 because there was no one in 1863 listen 861 00:41:32,820 --> 00:41:29,350 I knew there was at least one police 862 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:32,830 person killed mm-hmm and it's kind of 863 00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:34,750 ironic they were gonna actually finally 864 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:37,270 put them on there on like September 26 865 00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:39,970 or something like that and then so like 866 00:41:44,970 --> 00:41:42,250 a hundred and some years later they just 867 00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:44,980 miss it by two weeks because this 9/11 868 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:47,680 happened yeah but but but how does it 869 00:41:53,220 --> 00:41:50,050 take that long to put his name on there 870 00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:53,230 and again I think that has to do with 871 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:55,660 the suppression of disinformation and 872 00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:57,970 I've been in contact with the city of 873 00:42:01,859 --> 00:42:00,040 New York Police Department and they have 874 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:01,869 now actually found another I believe it 875 00:42:08,670 --> 00:42:05,350 as two or three policemen that they now 876 00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,680 list as having died during that time on 877 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:10,720 the line of duty it's interesting that 878 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:13,780 they would miss that I mean just rather 879 00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:15,970 not bring it up it might it might lead 880 00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:18,790 down a trail unless not you know not 881 00:42:24,990 --> 00:42:22,840 talking about yeah yeah and and that's 882 00:42:27,060 --> 00:42:25,000 something else I mean and and I UK yeah 883 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:27,070 you talk to people in Chicago and 884 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:29,650 Stephanie and they look at you like you 885 00:42:33,900 --> 00:42:30,970 know like I've never heard of this stuff 886 00:42:36,089 --> 00:42:33,910 before mm-hmm and then and I believe 887 00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:36,099 it's been it has been relentlessly 888 00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:39,160 relentlessly suppressed and it's 889 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:40,750 terrible what was done to the block 890 00:42:46,650 --> 00:42:43,210 people of New York during this time and 891 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:46,660 there ought to be and you know the Roman 892 00:42:50,490 --> 00:42:47,950 Catholic Church could have stopped it 893 00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:50,500 but they they did not and they were also 894 00:42:55,980 --> 00:42:52,480 involved on behind the scenes in world 895 00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:55,990 war two with the Nazis I mean they have 896 00:43:03,330 --> 00:42:59,290 a track record of being on the wrong 897 00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:03,340 side of conflict they do absolutely but 898 00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:05,080 people still give them money on Sunday 899 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:08,440 oh yeah I guess but they that people 900 00:43:15,540 --> 00:43:11,650 don't you know people don't know what 901 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:15,550 what they really did and and and and 902 00:43:22,829 --> 00:43:18,810 large you know and in the media are 903 00:43:28,109 --> 00:43:22,839 helping that out it appears definitely 904 00:43:32,310 --> 00:43:28,119 yeah so it's yeah I mean what was done 905 00:43:34,290 --> 00:43:32,320 in in Yugoslavia was just horrendous I 906 00:43:36,180 --> 00:43:34,300 don't know if you've ever heard I don't 907 00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:36,190 know about what happened in Colombia it 908 00:43:50,370 --> 00:43:41,380 was there was um a man whose name was 909 00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:50,380 Pavelec and he wanted to make this part 910 00:44:01,520 --> 00:43:56,530 of the world Catholic and and I get my 911 00:44:04,589 --> 00:44:01,530 information from a Time Life source and 912 00:44:07,050 --> 00:44:04,599 that when the Nazis took over Yugoslavia 913 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:07,060 they installed a vicious homegrown 914 00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:10,570 fascist named Pavlik he was a longtime 915 00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,030 advocate of Croatian independence and 916 00:44:17,790 --> 00:44:15,280 the founder of a pro Catholic terrorist 917 00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:17,800 organization known as mustachio or 918 00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:21,430 rebels and he his plan was to eliminate 919 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:24,609 the alien elements Serbs Jews and and 920 00:44:29,170 --> 00:44:26,890 gypsies and that the Serbs who were 921 00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:29,180 Eastern Orthodox 922 00:44:37,870 --> 00:44:33,170 he had a simple plan for them one third 923 00:44:39,849 --> 00:44:37,880 would be exhaled one third would be 924 00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:39,859 converted to Catholicism and one third 925 00:44:48,670 --> 00:44:44,680 would be killed and and what he did 926 00:44:53,799 --> 00:44:48,680 sickened the Nazis really if you can 927 00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:53,809 believe it and yeah according to this 928 00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:55,940 time life source the Germans who shared 929 00:44:59,170 --> 00:44:57,440 local occupation duties with the 930 00:45:01,599 --> 00:44:59,180 Italians were first embarrassing and 931 00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:01,609 sickened by the stashes indiscriminate 932 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:04,430 bestiality and and they want to replace 933 00:45:11,290 --> 00:45:09,530 him but they couldn't but but he took 934 00:45:13,870 --> 00:45:11,300 the precaution of having his likely 935 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:13,880 successor murdered and the Germans were 936 00:45:19,710 --> 00:45:15,650 not able to find someone else so they 937 00:45:22,569 --> 00:45:19,720 they'd let him bang animals yeah and so 938 00:45:24,099 --> 00:45:22,579 the statue master is the report by the 939 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:24,109 time the killings were finally brought 940 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:26,359 to an envious - II had taken incredible 941 00:45:30,940 --> 00:45:29,450 toll of Serbs variously estimated from 942 00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:30,950 three hundred fifty thousand seven 943 00:45:36,910 --> 00:45:34,609 hundred fifty thousand and efficient to 944 00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,920 know this you know you've never heard of 945 00:45:42,250 --> 00:45:39,200 it no that's not saying much that I 946 00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:42,260 haven't heard of it though well but a 947 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:44,329 lot of people have it right many people 948 00:45:51,700 --> 00:45:48,770 have never heard of this and it's it's 949 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:51,710 pretty yeah it's pretty terrible there I 950 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:53,690 don't know if you were aware that the 951 00:45:57,220 --> 00:45:55,190 Catholic Church helped Nazis war 952 00:45:58,809 --> 00:45:57,230 criminals to escape right I'd heard 953 00:46:00,700 --> 00:45:58,819 about that sort of the US government 954 00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:00,710 apparently with project yeah yeah they 955 00:46:10,420 --> 00:46:05,359 did they didn't that was very very wrong 956 00:46:13,660 --> 00:46:10,430 and there should be a you know it should 957 00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:13,670 be cleared up look you know that's the 958 00:46:17,740 --> 00:46:15,710 hope but I guess my argument would be I 959 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:17,750 mean it's only it's they've gotten away 960 00:46:22,569 --> 00:46:20,569 with it for so long I think that the 961 00:46:24,819 --> 00:46:22,579 same players are still there at least 962 00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:24,829 you know they're cycling through of 963 00:46:27,789 --> 00:46:26,150 course you know the lifespan of people 964 00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:27,799 in 150 years like the Lincoln 965 00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:29,569 assassination was but the culture is 966 00:46:33,579 --> 00:46:31,609 still there it's a it's a culture of 967 00:46:35,230 --> 00:46:33,589 criminals and I think those same people 968 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:35,240 are still in power and they've never 969 00:46:39,339 --> 00:46:37,490 really been fully exposed though we get 970 00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,349 closer all the time with the Internet I 971 00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:41,839 mean that's probably the biggest box 972 00:46:44,819 --> 00:46:42,880 opener 973 00:46:46,769 --> 00:46:44,829 that we've had you know to take the lid 974 00:46:48,329 --> 00:46:46,779 off some of this information but I think 975 00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,339 those people are still there so that's 976 00:46:52,769 --> 00:46:49,839 why we're we're still not really gonna 977 00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:52,779 ever well at least not at this point get 978 00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:55,660 that stuff to go mainstream but you know 979 00:46:58,740 --> 00:46:56,740 towards the end of the book you also 980 00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:58,750 talk about a few modern plots that you 981 00:47:01,950 --> 00:46:59,920 think the Catholic Church may be 982 00:47:07,049 --> 00:47:01,960 involved in let's talk about that a 983 00:47:10,890 --> 00:47:07,059 little bit sure which which ones were 984 00:47:12,839 --> 00:47:10,900 you thinking of well most notably you 985 00:47:17,009 --> 00:47:12,849 spend some time talking about the idea 986 00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,019 that they may be responsible or for you 987 00:47:20,759 --> 00:47:19,119 know the Mexican illegal immigration or 988 00:47:24,029 --> 00:47:20,769 that they may have a motive there and 989 00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:24,039 bringing over a lot of Catholics from 990 00:47:27,509 --> 00:47:25,359 across the border because didn't they do 991 00:47:31,980 --> 00:47:27,519 something similar and in Canada or 992 00:47:34,499 --> 00:47:31,990 support assistant something similar well 993 00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:34,509 certainly the most Catholic part of 994 00:47:44,279 --> 00:47:38,650 Canada Quebec has been has there's been 995 00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:44,289 an ongoing attempt to separate from the 996 00:47:53,099 --> 00:47:46,150 rest of Canada and break the country up 997 00:47:59,730 --> 00:47:53,109 and there there was actually the New 998 00:48:04,470 --> 00:47:59,740 York Times also there was a write up 999 00:48:07,769 --> 00:48:04,480 about the attempt to bring Catholics 1000 00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:07,779 into New England from Quebec and to take 1001 00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:11,160 over that part of the United States I 1002 00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:15,750 the Catholic Church have talked about 1003 00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:19,660 really invading the United States and 1004 00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:23,440 and and and taking it over and I had 1005 00:48:33,390 --> 00:48:30,700 quote from priests that you really 1006 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:33,400 really say this I'm just trying to find 1007 00:48:37,980 --> 00:48:35,890 it oh yeah you do have some quotes in 1008 00:48:39,930 --> 00:48:37,990 there that they say you know they they 1009 00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:39,940 they're very passive about it but they 1010 00:48:43,140 --> 00:48:41,529 suggest you know hey maybe you should 1011 00:48:46,289 --> 00:48:43,150 cross the border and have a bunch of 1012 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:46,299 children and it seems so like I hate to 1013 00:48:51,690 --> 00:48:49,089 even entertain it really because it is 1014 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:51,700 to me such a non-issue I don't really 1015 00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:54,210 find immigration to be a important issue 1016 00:48:58,299 --> 00:48:56,180 um but 1017 00:49:01,030 --> 00:48:58,309 it is I mean compared to the corruption 1018 00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,040 in the corporate corruption and the type 1019 00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:02,960 of money that's getting spent on Wars 1020 00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,240 you know I feel like immigration is kind 1021 00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,800 of like paying attention to a mosquito 1022 00:49:10,930 --> 00:49:08,960 on your arm while a horse is raping your 1023 00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,940 throat it's such a minor thing but 1024 00:49:15,339 --> 00:49:13,760 people like to like to hype it up 1025 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:15,349 because it's you put it in front of all 1026 00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:16,730 those other corruption and then no one 1027 00:49:20,950 --> 00:49:19,010 ever digs that deep but it is 1028 00:49:23,500 --> 00:49:20,960 interesting to think that the Catholic 1029 00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,510 Church may actually still today be 1030 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:25,700 trying to they you know I find it to be 1031 00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:28,010 an irrational thought and kind of a 1032 00:49:33,370 --> 00:49:30,500 paranoia that you know kind of is fueled 1033 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:33,380 by racism that some conservatives have 1034 00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:35,450 but it may be interesting that they may 1035 00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:37,790 actually be trying to infiltrate the 1036 00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:39,890 southern states and then get a majority 1037 00:49:45,390 --> 00:49:43,520 and then bring up a rebellion and try to 1038 00:49:49,690 --> 00:49:45,400 succeed secede in some way 1039 00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:49,700 yeah well that that talk has surfaced 1040 00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:52,640 and and I find it very interesting that 1041 00:49:58,650 --> 00:49:55,550 wherever you find these concentration 1042 00:50:02,140 --> 00:49:58,660 well you find Catholicism you find 1043 00:50:04,690 --> 00:50:02,150 separation you find corruption I mean 1044 00:50:07,329 --> 00:50:04,700 what why they you know first of all why 1045 00:50:08,950 --> 00:50:07,339 aren't the prelates telling them well 1046 00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:08,960 this is United States they have their 1047 00:50:13,230 --> 00:50:11,089 own law and are allowed to make their 1048 00:50:15,609 --> 00:50:13,240 own law so don't break their own law by 1049 00:50:16,930 --> 00:50:15,619 illegally immigrating right you would 1050 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:16,940 think they would at least just say that 1051 00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:19,490 I mean yeah and and teach their people 1052 00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:21,290 that but instead they're advocating for 1053 00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:27,049 them to come in it and I mean why is in 1054 00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:29,270 another question is wise 1055 00:50:33,490 --> 00:50:31,970 I mean why they even coming north I mean 1056 00:50:35,319 --> 00:50:33,500 when you cross the border the air 1057 00:50:37,870 --> 00:50:35,329 doesn't change the soil doesn't change 1058 00:50:40,059 --> 00:50:37,880 right but the economic situation changes 1059 00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:40,069 sure but that's based on your that's 1060 00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:42,290 based on your political system and so 1061 00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:46,280 you have people from a predominantly 1062 00:50:51,579 --> 00:50:49,730 overwhelmingly Catholic country risking 1063 00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:51,589 their lives to get into a Protestant 1064 00:50:56,890 --> 00:50:54,530 country it doesn't that tell you it tell 1065 00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:56,900 people anything why is it so such a 1066 00:51:01,780 --> 00:50:59,359 basket case well I think people are 1067 00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:01,790 willing to compromise their their 1068 00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:05,250 religion when money's tight 1069 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:07,079 oh sure no but what I'm just saying I'm 1070 00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:10,770 what I'm I guess my point is is why is 1071 00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:13,680 Mexico so messed up right yeah I mean 1072 00:51:18,020 --> 00:51:16,410 that we never talked about that we 1073 00:51:20,809 --> 00:51:18,030 always talk about illiberal immigration 1074 00:51:22,490 --> 00:51:20,819 is it is it a serious problem or not or 1075 00:51:25,339 --> 00:51:22,500 should we grant them amnesty but no one 1076 00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:25,349 ever talks about hey we we could just 1077 00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:26,880 make Mexico a little better we could 1078 00:51:32,300 --> 00:51:28,890 just help them out you know do a little 1079 00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:32,310 Gordon Ramsay and you know get them up 1080 00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:34,230 to speed and then we wouldn't have this 1081 00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,880 problem yeah yeah well I believe the 1082 00:51:44,690 --> 00:51:40,440 United States s certainly you've got 1083 00:51:49,809 --> 00:51:44,700 some there's tremendous problems down in 1084 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:49,819 the United States it's it has been a 1085 00:51:57,460 --> 00:51:53,490 citadel of freedom around the world and 1086 00:52:00,740 --> 00:51:57,470 has done historically much good 1087 00:52:03,950 --> 00:52:00,750 certainly you've got very powerful 1088 00:52:06,410 --> 00:52:03,960 groups that that that seem to have 1089 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:06,420 tremendous amount of control that you 1090 00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:08,250 know eisenhower warned about the 1091 00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:09,810 military the military-industrial complex 1092 00:52:15,260 --> 00:52:12,660 there you know and and I think you've 1093 00:52:20,900 --> 00:52:15,270 certainly got some some very big 1094 00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:20,910 problems and but I would suggest that it 1095 00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:24,599 is a plan to when you when you have 1096 00:52:30,260 --> 00:52:27,720 enough Catholics in an area then the 1097 00:52:32,089 --> 00:52:30,270 area becomes Catholic and they become 1098 00:52:36,170 --> 00:52:32,099 influenced by this church because you 1099 00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:36,180 have such a control on their mind this 1100 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:37,920 is the suggestion that you should rise 1101 00:52:42,770 --> 00:52:41,130 up I mean it's so odd that people just 1102 00:52:45,260 --> 00:52:42,780 fall for that you know they're they're 1103 00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:45,270 logical rational brain just kind of 1104 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:46,680 dissipates and they're just like well 1105 00:52:50,990 --> 00:52:49,290 you know this is what I'm told to do I'm 1106 00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:51,000 just going to go with it people have 1107 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:52,619 been telling me what to do for an 1108 00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:53,970 authority and perspective my whole life 1109 00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:58,260 parents school bosses so yeah yeah and 1110 00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:01,500 and I think it is important to for 1111 00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:03,569 people to use their brains I mean that's 1112 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:05,520 what God gave everyone a brain for not 1113 00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:08,940 to check it at the door of your church 1114 00:53:17,300 --> 00:53:13,980 or wherever but to use it yeah well you 1115 00:53:19,070 --> 00:53:17,310 know you end the book by saying this is 1116 00:53:21,380 --> 00:53:19,080 a really great quote from it but 1117 00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:21,390 it is this author's wish that this book 1118 00:53:25,010 --> 00:53:22,980 will serve as a current and timely 1119 00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:25,020 warning to American patriots that the 1120 00:53:28,610 --> 00:53:26,790 Roman Catholic Church remains one of the 1121 00:53:30,590 --> 00:53:28,620 most deadly enemies of the freedoms of 1122 00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:30,600 the United States no matter how friendly 1123 00:53:34,610 --> 00:53:33,060 or harmless it appears to be and I love 1124 00:53:37,820 --> 00:53:34,620 that is there anything else you'd like 1125 00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:37,830 to add to or cite to reinforce that 1126 00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:43,950 statement well I don't know I I really I 1127 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:46,200 thank you for your interest and you seem 1128 00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:49,710 to be very interested in in the facts 1129 00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:52,470 and we're sort of a bit of a refreshing 1130 00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:54,000 change from some of the quote 1131 00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:56,030 journalists that I've been dealing with 1132 00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:58,380 and I would never call myself a 1133 00:54:02,270 --> 00:54:00,450 journalist I'm just about college 1134 00:54:06,500 --> 00:54:02,280 dropout it's most we didn't reads 1135 00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,510 interesting books oh okay well but 1136 00:54:10,910 --> 00:54:08,880 better you're interested in and what the 1137 00:54:14,450 --> 00:54:10,920 facts are what deterrence of course and 1138 00:54:17,810 --> 00:54:14,460 that's great because and and I would I 1139 00:54:21,260 --> 00:54:17,820 guess I would hope Americans would 1140 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:21,270 indeed realize that that the blood was 1141 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:25,050 shed for for the country of the United 1142 00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,360 States for what it stands for for the 1143 00:54:33,170 --> 00:54:30,240 for freedom for true freedom for true 1144 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:33,180 for true liberty and Americans you know 1145 00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:34,890 you have a gardening you also have to 1146 00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:38,640 attend it and I would suggest that 1147 00:54:46,100 --> 00:54:40,650 indeed the Roman Catholic Church does 1148 00:54:49,460 --> 00:54:46,110 remain a huge sort of a threat to that 1149 00:54:52,330 --> 00:54:49,470 and I would also say that their friends 1150 00:54:55,130 --> 00:54:52,340 in the media are also in the same 1151 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:55,140 category in my experience and an 1152 00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,570 American should very much question what 1153 00:55:02,030 --> 00:55:00,000 the mainstream media tells tells them 1154 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:02,040 until the mainstream media stops being 1155 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:04,890 in the in the interests stop being in 1156 00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:07,770 the business of currying favor and 1157 00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:09,990 protecting powerful institutions and 1158 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:12,300 individuals of course do you think that 1159 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:15,930 those freedoms are all it seems to me 1160 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:17,970 like kind of the way the Catholic Church 1161 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:20,010 at the highest levels is completely 1162 00:55:23,420 --> 00:55:21,210 corrupt and doesn't care about anything 1163 00:55:25,250 --> 00:55:23,430 but they preach you know love and 1164 00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:25,260 happiness and you know don't don't sin 1165 00:55:28,460 --> 00:55:26,940 how we can do it but you know you guys 1166 00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:28,470 shouldn't do it it kind of seems like 1167 00:55:32,030 --> 00:55:30,060 the same thing when we're talking about 1168 00:55:32,810 --> 00:55:32,040 politicians today talking about this 1169 00:55:35,180 --> 00:55:32,820 great free 1170 00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:35,190 we all have and just everybody wants to 1171 00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:36,390 infringe on our freedoms 1172 00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:39,540 I don't feel on a daily basis all that 1173 00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:41,160 free when I can't fly in an airplane 1174 00:55:46,820 --> 00:55:43,860 without three ounces of shampoo you know 1175 00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:46,830 I you know like I said I have an 1176 00:55:52,370 --> 00:55:49,740 affinity for a certain plant that you 1177 00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:52,380 know the president also has partaken in 1178 00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:54,660 you know but if I got caught I'd be 1179 00:55:59,600 --> 00:55:56,880 thrown in jail but he has no incentive 1180 00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,610 to you know help those people out and 1181 00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:02,160 stop infringing on that freedom while he 1182 00:56:06,530 --> 00:56:04,380 uses Harold and Kumar on his DNC ad 1183 00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:06,540 which is kind of ridiculous if you think 1184 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:08,130 it's a serious problem worth putting 1185 00:56:12,830 --> 00:56:10,410 people in jail for but I just don't feel 1186 00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:12,840 like there's that much freedom you know 1187 00:56:17,780 --> 00:56:16,200 red light cameras we seem to be pretty 1188 00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:17,790 controlled but everybody wants to talk 1189 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:19,980 about this great freedom it seems to be 1190 00:56:25,610 --> 00:56:23,130 doublespeak once again to me yeah I 1191 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:25,620 would tend to agree with you and and 1192 00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:28,290 certainly you should be able to talk 1193 00:56:37,820 --> 00:56:34,740 about things I mean I if you know in my 1194 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:37,830 own particular case I'm I'm willing to 1195 00:56:43,550 --> 00:56:41,250 go away but only if somebody refutes 1196 00:56:45,410 --> 00:56:43,560 what I say not just says oh we're just 1197 00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:45,420 not going to listen to you or just we're 1198 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:49,040 going to pretend you don't exist and 1199 00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:52,410 you'd like you say you know there 1200 00:56:58,250 --> 00:56:55,350 there's a lot of things that that really 1201 00:57:00,620 --> 00:56:58,260 should be should be talked about and it 1202 00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:00,630 seems to be very very rare that you that 1203 00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:03,570 you do get a somebody in politics who's 1204 00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,580 willing to talk about them the only one 1205 00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:07,200 that I might be able to think of right 1206 00:57:11,690 --> 00:57:09,270 off the top of my head with my limited 1207 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:11,700 knowledge of American politics is maybe 1208 00:57:18,860 --> 00:57:14,490 Ron Paul that's fair that's the first 1209 00:57:21,860 --> 00:57:18,870 Damon yeah but you know look at how he 1210 00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:21,870 was depressed he apparently one main but 1211 00:57:27,020 --> 00:57:25,680 yet no you know nobody looked at it or 1212 00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:27,030 went back to the count they just kind of 1213 00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:28,710 glossed over it like oh you know he 1214 00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:32,250 didn't win let's go on oh really okay I 1215 00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,380 didn't I didn't I guess I was aware of 1216 00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:36,720 that but well again you never can really 1217 00:57:40,610 --> 00:57:39,030 know you know it's just because I feel 1218 00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:40,620 like everybody's got a motivation Ron 1219 00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:42,330 Paul supporters have a motivation to say 1220 00:57:45,830 --> 00:57:44,100 look you actually want to stay like you 1221 00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:45,840 know we got to momentum and then of 1222 00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,440 course the government 1223 00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:48,540 has definitely shut him down not 1224 00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,790 allowing him to speak at the RNC you 1225 00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:52,319 know they have fought him tooth and nail 1226 00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:56,160 not givin him a fair a fair chance at 1227 00:57:59,960 --> 00:57:57,780 winning the nomination I mean that's 1228 00:58:01,160 --> 00:57:59,970 clear but did he really win Maine I 1229 00:58:02,569 --> 00:58:01,170 don't know I'll never see the vote 1230 00:58:04,790 --> 00:58:02,579 counts but there's a lot of people that 1231 00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:04,800 think that when the votes were fully 1232 00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,880 tallied Ron Paul was on top but the race 1233 00:58:12,770 --> 00:58:11,520 had already been declared for someone 1234 00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:12,780 else I don't even know if it was Romney 1235 00:58:18,050 --> 00:58:14,880 at that time but they just kind of went 1236 00:58:20,690 --> 00:58:18,060 past it Wow I guess I hadn't heard of 1237 00:58:23,540 --> 00:58:20,700 that but I you know he does seem to be 1238 00:58:25,339 --> 00:58:23,550 you know at least talking about some 1239 00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:25,349 things that I think is significant 1240 00:58:28,819 --> 00:58:27,359 probably a portion of the top US 1241 00:58:31,010 --> 00:58:28,829 population would like to you know 1242 00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:31,020 actually talk about a green well he's 1243 00:58:38,180 --> 00:58:33,119 all about getting the freedoms back you 1244 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:38,190 know yeah and and you know I mean you 1245 00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:40,410 can have a wonderful Constitution but I 1246 00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:43,440 guess if you think you have the legal 1247 00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:46,770 right to ignore it and you don't doesn't 1248 00:58:51,650 --> 00:58:49,470 really matter which I am I I'm sort of 1249 00:58:53,780 --> 00:58:51,660 understanding it's what is what has been 1250 00:58:55,339 --> 00:58:53,790 happened whereas you know Abraham 1251 00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:55,349 Lincoln said no I 1252 00:59:01,339 --> 00:58:58,170 I just want to uphold it and I'm going 1253 00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:01,349 to yeah and I mean not to get in a big a 1254 00:59:05,870 --> 00:59:04,200 big thing about Ron Paul but um you know 1255 00:59:08,180 --> 00:59:05,880 he is about freedoms he wants to end the 1256 00:59:09,859 --> 00:59:08,190 drug war and the wars overseas and then 1257 00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:09,869 the Federal Reserve which you know huge 1258 00:59:12,380 --> 00:59:11,280 that would be that would be great that 1259 00:59:15,050 --> 00:59:12,390 would get us on the right track but he 1260 00:59:16,579 --> 00:59:15,060 also wants to remove some of the 1261 00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:16,589 restraints from corporations which 1262 00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:18,900 there's where I think it's a disastrous 1263 00:59:21,859 --> 00:59:20,400 idea to remove regulations from 1264 00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:21,869 corporations we've seen what it does 1265 00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:24,960 they are corrupt institutions as well 1266 00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:27,390 and they never really do anything from 1267 00:59:32,359 --> 00:59:31,109 altruistic means so to allow them free 1268 00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:32,369 rein on everything they've already got 1269 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:33,359 too much power I think it'd be 1270 00:59:37,849 --> 00:59:35,730 disastrous and that's kind of where I 1271 00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,859 separate from Ron Paul but you know we 1272 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:39,900 are getting we are getting down to it 1273 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:41,970 Paul and I appreciate you being here 1274 00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:43,770 you're a great historian you know I'm 1275 00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,599 standing off all the work you've done a 1276 00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:47,760 lot of it has to be very tedious digging 1277 00:59:51,650 --> 00:59:50,130 through documents and I appreciate that 1278 00:59:53,420 --> 00:59:51,660 there's someone out there who is willing 1279 00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:53,430 to spend a good chunk of their time 1280 00:59:57,740 --> 00:59:56,130 doing it so that facts can come forward 1281 01:00:00,080 --> 00:59:57,750 and we can get down to the truth you 1282 01:00:02,420 --> 01:00:00,090 know so well Thanks 1283 01:00:04,940 --> 01:00:02,430 but oh well that's very kind of you to 1284 01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:04,950 say and and again thank you very much 1285 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:07,200 for for your great interest I hope 1286 01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:09,450 there's there's more Americans that are 1287 01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:11,910 also as interested as you are of course 1288 01:00:16,970 --> 01:00:13,710 thanks and where can people get the book 1289 01:00:22,450 --> 01:00:16,980 and keep up with you well it is 1290 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:22,460 available online at Barnes and noble.com 1291 01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:26,850 it's one can go and it's also I can come 1292 01:00:35,630 --> 01:00:33,390 on Amazon and they're all it can and it 1293 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:35,640 can also be available directly from me 1294 01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:38,130 and people can go on my website and read 1295 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:43,530 my blog you can it's it's not that your 1296 01:01:12,650 --> 01:00:46,650 blog okay well I tell my website which 1297 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:12,660 is www.hyken.com okay all the results 1298 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:14,970 you are the guy when it comes to talking 1299 01:01:20,060 --> 01:01:18,570 about this particular conspiracy and you 1300 01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:20,070 know again it's great that you spend so 1301 01:01:24,590 --> 01:01:22,530 much time and dedication learning about 1302 01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:24,600 it and you know you say your next book 1303 01:01:27,710 --> 01:01:26,460 is going to be on the draft riots is 1304 01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:27,720 there anything else you're working on or 1305 01:01:35,780 --> 01:01:31,950 when will that be coming out oh well I'm 1306 01:01:38,210 --> 01:01:35,790 20 years work I'm yeah no no I hope not 1307 01:01:39,590 --> 01:01:38,220 I hope not although it it takes way 1308 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,600 longer than you think to write a book 1309 01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:42,240 but yeah no I 1310 01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:46,020 I see ie house of work renovations and 1311 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:49,460 another family business right now but I 1312 01:01:56,270 --> 01:01:52,970 I would hope I could maybe get it out 1313 01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:56,280 I'm just thinking maybe possibly this 1314 01:02:02,000 --> 01:01:58,740 year or maybe early next year where 1315 01:02:03,950 --> 01:02:02,010 we're in the 150th anniversary of the 1316 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:03,960 Civil War so we're coming up to the 1317 01:02:13,710 --> 01:02:07,010 150th anniversary of that time next July 1318 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:13,720 so maybe before then but we'll we'll see 1319 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:16,570 how things go well I look forward to it 1320 01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:18,010 you know it's always important to expose 1321 01:02:21,390 --> 01:02:19,720 the shady paths of organizations 1322 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:21,400 especially ones that still wield power 1323 01:02:23,490 --> 01:02:22,810 like the Catholic Church today so again 1324 01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:23,500 thank you 1325 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:25,750 I hope society rewards you for the 1326 01:02:28,550 --> 01:02:27,130 service you've done to our historical 1327 01:02:30,990 --> 01:02:28,560 record and it's been a pleasure Paul 1328 01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:31,000 thank you very much have a wonderful day 1329 01:02:35,339 --> 01:02:33,130 folks that's the show check out another 1330 01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:35,349 great track of truth from heist click 1331 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:36,790 you can hear more from them if you 1332 01:02:41,099 --> 01:02:39,010 follow the link find the higher side 1333 01:02:42,930 --> 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bombs on us and they 1347 01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:43,140 put James in us without words from us 1348 01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:46,410 they are mass murderers force to control 1349 01:03:52,009 --> 01:03:49,799 by muss and the bait but they take it is 1350 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:52,019 saying inside the truck touch the trains 1351 01:03:57,529 --> 01:03:54,690 go to see taking worshipers overtaking 1352 01:03:59,539 --> 01:03:57,539 decision Rick it over take over if 1353 01:05:01,049 --> 01:03:59,549 anybody just listen to the words that 1354 01:05:07,690 --> 01:05:04,029 oh and that's what a mess but what he 1355 01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:07,700 does and Alex shows is they expose so 1356 01:05:17,740 --> 01:05:13,880 I'm going to teach you the mystery 1357 01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:17,750 schools and exactly right laws that'll 1358 01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:20,450 narrow your Panther light this is back